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Give a Hand

Friday, April 20th, 2007

“It’s not about a Hand Out, its about a Hand” 

Give Value to recieve value essentially. Is “It’s not about a hand out” saying not expecting a hand out, but rather offering a hand?  Or am I interpreting it wrong? Heard from keith ferrazzi, where is it from?

Showing Vulnerability

Friday, April 20th, 2007

Showing vulnerability can be a powerful way to relate to people.  Everyone has struggles in their lifes or points where they were Vulnerable to forces in the world.  Expand on this in the future.

This passage reminded me of this , it was taken from Keith Ferrazzi’s “Never Eat Alone” blog:

“In one of the most poignant stories of the evening, one of the invitees recalled a time during his youth when his family was homeless and lived out of a car for a period of time in order to survive.  An ability to channel personal struggles into fearlessness, a strong will to succeed, and compassion for others – as demonstrated by this brave guest – are common traits of authentic leaders, many of who were breaking bread, sharing stories and a bit of themselves around the dinner table that evening.”

Why do I like travelling?

Thursday, April 19th, 2007

Why do I feel like I should use money to travel rather than do other things.  I need to figure out my priorities and why I really like travelling.  Is it because its so easy to meet people? What were the highlights of the trip for me? Just meeting Fru and Narnia and all the other random friends?  ISn’t it really just the awesome friendships you establish so quickly? Was it really the new environment?  Do I have to travel to get these things I like?

 

Internet Marketing Haze

Friday, April 13th, 2007

Start with promise to bring something.  Go over, meet and made good friends with Dave.  Met Jessica, Jorg (german).  Stayed up late with lovedrop. Messy place. Mystery and LD filming blogs, oxy.  Leave jacket, promise to bring item for dave.  GO back next night to bring item, chill with dave meet mike L , ameesh, larry , warstomper? ppc management tool, launch coming soon, case study possibilities for learning? Film ld’s house transformation, daves nice place, offer to go to melrose with them.  Digitize tape.  Next day go to melrose film, buy new clothes dave.  GO back, chill mike etc. See mike L.’s place, beach place.  Learn about some marketing stuff. Saw matador and jdog in melrose. Came back to deliver video footage, problem with fat32 encoding drive.  Chill with all the marketing guys again, meet kelly (rjerk) and his columbian girl. Here about project hollywood plans.  Mike mentions he wants me to edit. Told mike im not that good at his house.  He says my vision will help.  Also seems like they just want people who can get things done, responsibly, etc.  Told to read book “influence” etc.  Home late every night. Today setup rod to get shoot stuff, answer emails, work mehow stuff. Talk to nikki b she canceled her condo.  IS there too many people at my condo now?

Ideas to rewrite

Monday, April 9th, 2007

ORBITAL 264 (7:15:58 PM): hey bud was just about to respond to your email
ORBITAL 264 (7:16:02 PM): should i just talk on here?
lifted42085 (7:16:31 PM):  same same
ORBITAL 264 (7:17:28 PM): Basically my deal is, if my job looks stable, or I’ve moved to a job that has a stable paycheck… then yes im definately definately interested
ORBITAL 264 (7:17:34 PM): the only reason id say no now
ORBITAL 264 (7:17:41 PM): is because i feel like my paycheck isn’t stable
lifted42085 (7:17:48 PM):  understandable
ORBITAL 264 (7:17:48 PM): and I don’t want to commit later screwing anyone
ORBITAL 264 (7:18:08 PM): but considering your talking two mos from now
ORBITAL 264 (7:18:26 PM): what kind of place are you thinking about
ORBITAL 264 (7:18:29 PM): just 2 bedroom?
ORBITAL 264 (7:18:30 PM): where at?
lifted42085 (7:18:52 PM):  im down for living with up to 4 people
lifted42085 (7:19:05 PM):  but ya a 2 bed would be fine too
ORBITAL 264 (7:19:25 PM): what are you looking to spend, and where is your ideal location?
lifted42085 (7:19:43 PM):  basically im just trying to contact everyone i would want to live with
lifted42085 (7:19:57 PM):  im just not feeling my current situation
ORBITAL 264 (7:20:04 PM): really, whys that
lifted42085 (7:21:03 PM):  the rent is too high (cause the guy i was gonna share it with bailed at the last minute)….and my bathroom has hella plumbing problems…
lifted42085 (7:22:09 PM):  i would be interested in living by skool (college area, mission valley, etc.) cause i got one more sem…..but im definitely open minded about venturing out to other places
ORBITAL 264 (7:22:46 PM): ya with one more semester you should be thinking about where you want to be longterm
ORBITAL 264 (7:22:55 PM): that last semester will go by quickstyle
ORBITAL 264 (7:23:34 PM): Btw if I end up losing this job, i think im gonan go travelling for a mos
ORBITAL 264 (7:23:49 PM): when you out of school?
lifted42085 (7:24:02 PM):  im not really tripping either way, i just wanna a decent place with no physical issues
ORBITAL 264 (7:24:07 PM): ya
ORBITAL 264 (7:24:18 PM): heres my ideas, so we can see if we match
ORBITAL 264 (7:24:26 PM): If im not getting cheap rent
ORBITAL 264 (7:24:35 PM): then i want to be paying for a cool place in some respect
ORBITAL 264 (7:24:43 PM): whether its near the beach, near the mall, whatever
ORBITAL 264 (7:24:48 PM): nice area etc.
ORBITAL 264 (7:25:04 PM): I also want some people I can live with where we can get a system for keeping the place classy
ORBITAL 264 (7:25:19 PM): otherwise im chill
lifted42085 (7:25:41 PM):  i keep my surroundings clean for the most part, so im with that idea
ORBITAL 264 (7:26:04 PM): ya im not even tripping on cleanliness that much because shit if we have jobs, cleaning ladies arent that bad
ORBITAL 264 (7:26:12 PM): as long as its not like my old place
ORBITAL 264 (7:26:16 PM): with bong smells everywhere
ORBITAL 264 (7:26:20 PM): old food plates on the couch
lifted42085 (7:26:24 PM):  clean=cool
ORBITAL 264 (7:26:25 PM): i cant stand that shit when i bring people home
lifted42085 (7:26:36 PM):  im sorry if that got lost in translation
ORBITAL 264 (7:26:39 PM): haha ya
ORBITAL 264 (7:26:51 PM): im not worried about you, just thinking if we add more peeps
ORBITAL 264 (7:27:16 PM): though i would trade peeps/cleanliness for a cool place
ORBITAL 264 (7:27:22 PM): like if somehow we could afford a hard rock condo
lifted42085 (7:27:22 PM):  im gonna talk to nick later, i know his lease ends in a few months
ORBITAL 264 (7:27:23 PM): jesus
ORBITAL 264 (7:27:27 PM): id live with monsters
ORBITAL 264 (7:27:53 PM): awesome
lifted42085 (7:28:01 PM):  hard rock condo?
ORBITAL 264 (7:28:02 PM): i’ve never had people ive lived with that im proud to introduce
ORBITAL 264 (7:28:10 PM): ya
ORBITAL 264 (7:28:17 PM): the hard rock club built condos on top
ORBITAL 264 (7:28:24 PM): alot of em prefurnished pimp style
lifted42085 (7:28:30 PM):  hehe…that sucks man…tho ive been in some horrible sits. myself
ORBITAL 264 (7:28:30 PM): and you get vip access to the club all the time
ORBITAL 264 (7:28:43 PM): plus you get a cut of alcohol sales if you own the condo
ORBITAL 264 (7:28:47 PM): its a cool place
ORBITAL 264 (7:28:51 PM): problem is its expensive
ORBITAL 264 (7:29:36 PM): wow i just looked it up
ORBITAL 264 (7:29:41 PM): they sold all 420 units in the first day
ORBITAL 264 (7:29:47 PM): eh maybe there wont be any renting opps
lifted42085 (7:29:50 PM):  hehe…im sure
ORBITAL 264 (7:31:01 PM): aww man looking at this makes me sad
ORBITAL 264 (7:31:04 PM): why cant we be rich
ORBITAL 264 (7:31:08 PM): its like my dream place
ORBITAL 264 (7:31:20 PM): they have the hard rock which is a live music venue planning to compete with house of blues
ORBITAL 264 (7:31:22 PM): and then we have a club
lifted42085 (7:31:23 PM):  not sad…it makes you motivated
ORBITAL 264 (7:31:24 PM): down stairs!
lifted42085 (7:31:45 PM):  perspective my friends….its a powerful thing
ORBITAL 264 (7:31:48 PM): yup yup
ORBITAL 264 (7:32:03 PM): wasnt really sad, just feels like a lost opportunity because im not acting fast enough
ORBITAL 264 (7:32:13 PM): my life has been prospering intensely though
lifted42085 (7:32:16 PM):  how much did they go for
ORBITAL 264 (7:32:22 PM): let me check
ORBITAL 264 (7:32:56 PM): It says they cant share now because its been sold
ORBITAL 264 (7:33:01 PM): but i think they were going for 600k and up
ORBITAL 264 (7:33:18 PM): so probably like 2k a mos we’d have to pay each to rent a place like that
ORBITAL 264 (7:33:46 PM): what we should do, is just get like 20 guys, split that shit up, and only people who are pulling girls back for a party can use it
ORBITAL 264 (7:34:38 PM): actually its ideas like that, that we should look into
ORBITAL 264 (7:34:51 PM): where mass people pay for the mortgage, but we get ownership
ORBITAL 264 (7:34:56 PM): they build equity
ORBITAL 264 (7:35:07 PM): Like maybe buying an akpsi house
ORBITAL 264 (7:35:14 PM): up dues for rent of the house
ORBITAL 264 (7:35:29 PM): but now theres a frat house
ORBITAL 264 (7:35:31 PM): we take ownership
ORBITAL 264 (7:35:37 PM): we get the equity
lifted42085 (7:37:03 PM):  interesting
ORBITAL 264 (7:37:23 PM): ya its like the minidorm concept around state
ORBITAL 264 (7:37:25 PM): turn a normal 3 bedroom
ORBITAL 264 (7:37:29 PM): into a 6 bedroom
lifted42085 (7:37:29 PM):  the only issue with that is finding people that would be loyal and responsible
ORBITAL 264 (7:37:31 PM): rent rent rent
ORBITAL 264 (7:37:45 PM): basically we just assume it gets trashed
ORBITAL 264 (7:37:48 PM): and account for that in rent
ORBITAL 264 (7:37:53 PM): if its around state theres a shortage in housing
ORBITAL 264 (7:37:56 PM): so im not worried
ORBITAL 264 (7:38:02 PM): we should do a mini dorm investment
ORBITAL 264 (7:38:10 PM): shit i forgot about that idea i had
ORBITAL 264 (7:38:13 PM): i blogged about it a bit back
ORBITAL 264 (7:38:26 PM): we wait for one of these old couples to move out
ORBITAL 264 (7:38:28 PM): buy it up
ORBITAL 264 (7:38:32 PM): get investors
ORBITAL 264 (7:38:38 PM): add to the house
ORBITAL 264 (7:38:43 PM): extra bedroom, whatever
ORBITAL 264 (7:38:58 PM): get renters
ORBITAL 264 (7:39:06 PM): if we can reliably do it for a year
lifted42085 (7:39:13 PM):  tru
ORBITAL 264 (7:39:15 PM): then we get reevaluated, and take a 2nd mortgage to do it on another house
ORBITAL 264 (7:39:31 PM): eventually the equity compounds, and we can sell some houses
ORBITAL 264 (7:39:35 PM): and do it with our own money
ORBITAL 264 (7:39:59 PM): then we pay people to take over property management, and sitback
lifted42085 (7:40:29 PM):  solid plan buddy
ORBITAL 264 (7:40:31 PM): if they dont raise in value, then we atleast get the massive equity weve been getting every month
ORBITAL 264 (7:40:53 PM): if they go down in value, then well were in trouble, but hopefully offset by teh equity
ORBITAL 264 (7:40:57 PM): ya
ORBITAL 264 (7:41:01 PM): just bouncing ideas

My biggest weakness

Monday, March 19th, 2007
ORBITAL 264 (12:28:20 AM): Where do you feel the line is… when your honest opinion can hurt a persons feelings…. but they ask for your opinion? When does something need to be said
ORBITAL 264 (12:28:35 AM): Like where do you know that the possible hurt attached is worth the benefit to the person
r b s m d 8 4 (12:29:48 AM):  hmm
r b s m d 8 4 (12:29:52 AM):  its hard to say
r b s m d 8 4 (12:30:00 AM):  im sure that line varies with the person
ORBITAL 264 (12:35:56 AM): so what about the person says where the line is
ORBITAL 264 (12:36:14 AM): their ability to cope with reality?
ORBITAL 264 (12:36:20 AM): control of their emotions?
ORBITAL 264 (12:36:36 AM): self esteem?
r b s m d 8 4 (12:36:37 AM):  control of their emotions has alot to do with it
ORBITAL 264 (12:37:09 AM): Alright, so i can basically assume that with a man I can always be completely honest, and if it bothers him hes just being irrational/emotional
ORBITAL 264 (12:37:19 AM): and with a woman, i should always worry about what emotion im sending with my remark

BlueHulks side:

ORBITAL 264 (11:42:55 PM): got time to give me a second opinion on a convo, this ones super short
BlueHulk (11:43:00 PM):  sure
ORBITAL 264 (11:43:43 PM): r b s m d 8 4 (11:35:48 PM):  i didnt drink yesterday on st patties
r b s m d 8 4 (11:35:53 PM):  lool
ORBITAL 264 (11:35:54 PM): nor did I
ORBITAL 264 (11:35:58 PM): actually i take that back i had a beer
r b s m d 8 4 (11:36:01 PM):  but you went to a bar? lol
ORBITAL 264 (11:36:09 PM): dude i go to bars and dont drink very often
r b s m d 8 4 (11:36:37 PM):  thats good
ORBITAL 264 (11:36:41 PM): i guess
r b s m d 8 4 (11:36:55 PM):  but the point usually of going to a bar is to drink heh
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:04 PM): really
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:08 PM): then why dont you drink at home?
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:15 PM): with your cheap liquor cabinet?
r b s m d 8 4 (11:37:24 PM):  you mean
r b s m d 8 4 (11:37:27 PM):  why drink at home
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:29 PM): i agree thats a common perception
r b s m d 8 4 (11:37:32 PM):  when you can drink with ppl
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:44 PM): no if it was just to drink people would drink at vons
r b s m d 8 4 (11:37:55 PM):  you cant drink at vons though
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:58 PM): id say the actual purpose of the bar is to be around other people in the hopes of socializing
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:00 PM):  you can at a bar
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:20 PM):  i think the reason of a bar is to drink. meeting ppl is secondary.
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:24 PM):  you got it mixed up
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:31 PM):  which is prob why you hang out at a bar sober
ORBITAL 264 (11:38:34 PM): ya
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:43 PM):  and that may look bad especially if your looking to meet girls
ORBITAL 264 (11:39:03 PM): ya dont wanna be the loser not drinking
ORBITAL 264 (11:39:15 PM): your not cool unless ya drink
r b s m d 8 4 (11:39:38 PM):  why do to a place where ppl go to drink if you dont want to do it yourself?
r b s m d 8 4 (11:39:53 PM):  if its just to say you have the willpower i guess thats good
ORBITAL 264 (11:40:00 PM): i dont know, why go to a hockey game if i dont want concessions
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:09 PM):  to watch the game?
ORBITAL 264 (11:40:12 PM): exactly
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:15 PM):  yup
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:22 PM):  and you go to a bar to do what exactly?
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:24 PM):  drink
ORBITAL 264 (11:40:26 PM): ah seany sean
ORBITAL 264 (11:40:34 PM): somebody is really high?
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:35 PM):  its perfect sense really
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:45 PM):  if we took a poll of everyone in the bar
r b s m d 8 4 (11:41:01 PM):  do you think more would agree with my fact of going to a bar to have some drinks
r b s m d 8 4 (11:41:22 PM):  its common consensus what im saying really
ORBITAL 264 (11:41:33 PM): if we asked the germans in the 1920’s about hitler, they would all say hes the greatest and most honorable man to ever live
ORBITAL 264 (11:41:56 PM): hmm
r b s m d 8 4 (11:41:57 PM):  what does history have to do with going to a bar to drink
r b s m d 8 4 (11:42:00 PM):  hjahha
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:04 PM): so i guess that means that hitler was very honorable
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:09 PM): jesus christ
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:12 PM): you have got to be really stoned
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:14 PM): or are fucking with me
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:22 PM): or your an idiot and i never knew it
r b s m d 8 4 (11:42:29 PM):  your comparing apples and oranges
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:37 PM): Hold on one second
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:39 PM): let me get a second opinion
r b s m d 8 4 (11:43:06 PM):  im sure if you asked everyone on a list
r b s m d 8 4 (11:43:10 PM):  what do you go to a bar to do
r b s m d 8 4 (11:43:18 PM):  if the first word out of there mouth isnt drink
r b s m d 8 4 (11:43:33 PM):  then your reasoning for going to a bar and not drinking may be correct
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ORBITAL 264 (11:43:56 PM): r b s m d 8 4 (11:35:48 PM):  i didnt drink yesterday on st patties
r b s m d 8 4 (11:35:53 PM):  lool
ORBITAL 264 (11:35:54 PM): nor did I
ORBITAL 264 (11:35:58 PM): actually i take that back i had a beer
r b s m d 8 4 (11:36:01 PM):  but you went to a bar? lol
ORBITAL 264 (11:36:09 PM): dude i go to bars and dont drink very often
r b s m d 8 4 (11:36:37 PM):  thats good
ORBITAL 264 (11:36:41 PM): i guess
r b s m d 8 4 (11:36:55 PM):  but the point usually of going to a bar is to drink heh
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:04 PM): really
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:08 PM): then why dont you drink at home?
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:15 PM): with your cheap liquor cabinet?
r b s m d 8 4 (11:37:24 PM):  you mean
r b s m d 8 4 (11:37:27 PM):  why drink at home
ORBITAL 264 (11:44:08 PM): ORBITAL 264 (11:37:29 PM): i agree thats a common perception
r b s m d 8 4 (11:37:32 PM):  when you can drink with ppl
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:44 PM): no if it was just to drink people would drink at vons
r b s m d 8 4 (11:37:55 PM):  you cant drink at vons though
ORBITAL 264 (11:37:58 PM): id say the actual purpose of the bar is to be around other people in the hopes of socializing
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:00 PM):  you can at a bar
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:20 PM):  i think the reason of a bar is to drink. meeting ppl is secondary.
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:24 PM):  you got it mixed up
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:31 PM):  which is prob why you hang out at a bar sober
ORBITAL 264 (11:38:34 PM): ya
r b s m d 8 4 (11:38:43 PM):  and that may look bad especially if your looking to meet girls
ORBITAL 264 (11:39:03 PM): ya dont wanna be the loser not drinking
ORBITAL 264 (11:39:15 PM): your not cool unless ya drink
ORBITAL 264 (11:44:28 PM): r b s m d 8 4 (11:39:38 PM):  why do to a place where ppl go to drink if you dont want to do it yourself?
r b s m d 8 4 (11:39:53 PM):  if its just to say you have the willpower i guess thats good
ORBITAL 264 (11:40:00 PM): i dont know, why go to a hockey game if i dont want concessions
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:09 PM):  to watch the game?
ORBITAL 264 (11:40:12 PM): exactly
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:15 PM):  yup
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:22 PM):  and you go to a bar to do what exactly?
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:24 PM):  drink
ORBITAL 264 (11:40:26 PM): ah seany sean
ORBITAL 264 (11:40:34 PM): somebody is really high?
ORBITAL 264 (11:44:43 PM): r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:35 PM):  its perfect sense really
r b s m d 8 4 (11:40:45 PM):  if we took a poll of everyone in the bar
r b s m d 8 4 (11:41:01 PM):  do you think more would agree with my fact of going to a bar to have some drinks
r b s m d 8 4 (11:41:22 PM):  its common consensus what im saying really
ORBITAL 264 (11:41:33 PM): if we asked the germans in the 1920’s about hitler, they would all say hes the greatest and most honorable man to ever live
ORBITAL 264 (11:41:56 PM): hmm
r b s m d 8 4 (11:41:57 PM):  what does history have to do with going to a bar to drink
r b s m d 8 4 (11:42:00 PM):  hjahha
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:04 PM): so i guess that means that hitler was very honorable
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:09 PM): jesus christ
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:12 PM): you have got to be really stoned
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:14 PM): or are fucking with me
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:22 PM): or your an idiot and i never knew it
ORBITAL 264 (11:44:59 PM): r b s m d 8 4 (11:42:29 PM):  your comparing apples and oranges
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:37 PM): Hold on one second
ORBITAL 264 (11:42:39 PM): let me get a second opinion
BlueHulk (11:48:48 PM):  so what’s your question about the convo
BlueHulk (11:48:58 PM):  btw the hitler reference is wayyyyyy out of line for this discussion
BlueHulk (11:49:21 PM):  it’s really an emotionally charged issue for a lot of people, especially Jews
ORBITAL 264 (11:49:33 PM): why?
ORBITAL 264 (11:49:45 PM): out of line in that the point i was trying to make was wrong?
BlueHulk (11:49:50 PM):  ummm well
BlueHulk (11:50:21 PM):  well I think comparing bar drinkers to the germans that supported hitler
BlueHulk (11:50:28 PM):  is an odd analogy
BlueHulk (11:50:31 PM):  and apt to make someone defensive
BlueHulk (11:50:33 PM):  whether or not its right
ORBITAL 264 (11:50:40 PM): he was saying that because everyone believed something it was right
ORBITAL 264 (11:50:47 PM): i gave an extreme example of how the common public was wrong
ORBITAL 264 (11:50:51 PM): to refute his statement
BlueHulk (11:50:54 PM):  yeah and extreme analogies rarely work
ORBITAL 264 (11:50:58 PM): why?
ORBITAL 264 (11:51:10 PM): because people cant look past the surface?
ORBITAL 264 (11:51:15 PM): interesting
BlueHulk (11:51:24 PM):  well just cause
BlueHulk (11:51:32 PM):  like since he’s someone that believes that drinking is ok in bars
BlueHulk (11:51:41 PM):  your’e pretty much comparing him to someone who’d let Jews go to the gas chambers
ORBITAL 264 (11:51:48 PM): not at all
ORBITAL 264 (11:51:52 PM): i was comparing his argument
ORBITAL 264 (11:51:59 PM): to that of the argument that all of the germans were right about hitler
BlueHulk (11:52:12 PM):  well I’m just telling you that whethjer or not it’s correct, people are not likely to listen to it
BlueHulk (11:52:15 PM):  and might even be offended
BlueHulk (11:52:28 PM):  when buddha says something like that to me I get pissed
ORBITAL 264 (11:52:37 PM): well that right there
ORBITAL 264 (11:52:48 PM): your emotional attachment to what i said
BlueHulk (11:52:52 PM):  yeah
ORBITAL 264 (11:52:53 PM): is definately uncool
BlueHulk (11:52:54 PM):  but i’ts not just me
ORBITAL 264 (11:52:56 PM): not in your personality
ORBITAL 264 (11:52:58 PM): but that is something
BlueHulk (11:53:03 PM):  I wasn’t bothered by you saying that to him
ORBITAL 264 (11:53:12 PM): hmm
BlueHulk (11:53:14 PM):  but Jews don’t react well to that
BlueHulk (11:53:27 PM):  if you had relatives who were killed in the holocaust I think you’d be the same way
BlueHulk (11:53:54 PM):  there are certain subjects to avoid in debate and Hilter is one of them
BlueHulk (11:53:59 PM):  I mean if it’s the TOPIC
BlueHulk (11:54:00 PM):  then ok
BlueHulk (11:54:04 PM):  but not to bring in as an example
ORBITAL 264 (11:54:10 PM): I have a good friend that was in the holocaust
ORBITAL 264 (11:54:13 PM): but its irrelevant
ORBITAL 264 (11:54:15 PM): what i said
BlueHulk (11:54:16 PM):  yeah
ORBITAL 264 (11:54:16 PM): actually shows
ORBITAL 264 (11:54:21 PM): that i think it was all ridiculous
BlueHulk (11:54:25 PM):  yeah
ORBITAL 264 (11:54:26 PM): because hitler was mentioned jews get offended?
BlueHulk (11:54:33 PM):  well mentioning hitler
BlueHulk (11:54:35 PM):  for somethign so trite
BlueHulk (11:54:37 PM):  as drinking in bars
BlueHulk (11:54:40 PM):  would offend Jews
ORBITAL 264 (11:54:51 PM): ya
BlueHulk (11:54:52 PM):  similar to when mp3s weren’t allowed
BlueHulk (11:54:56 PM):  people were comparing it to nazi germany
BlueHulk (11:54:58 PM):  which was ridiculous
BlueHulk (11:55:01 PM):  but it offended a lot of Jews
ORBITAL 264 (11:55:02 PM): i was trying to think of the biggest example of mass retardedness i could
ORBITAL 264 (11:55:27 PM): I cannot even fathom why they have the right to be offended, besides the fact that they are unwilling to deal with what happened in the past.
ORBITAL 264 (11:55:52 PM): Its like the jews being offended if I started saying something is hitler instead of something is horrible.
BlueHulk (11:56:02 PM):  well first of all
ORBITAL 264 (11:56:03 PM): Im saying that it was the worst thing to ever happen.
BlueHulk (11:56:09 PM):  it’s a negative anchor
ORBITAL 264 (11:56:11 PM): And they are mad?
ORBITAL 264 (11:56:21 PM): Well i understand that people will be people and will be offended by it
BlueHulk (11:56:27 PM):  yeah
BlueHulk (11:56:31 PM):  and that’s reason enough I think to avoid it
ORBITAL 264 (11:56:33 PM): Just like most fat people are offended if you say the word fat
ORBITAL 264 (11:56:42 PM): Sure if I want to tiptoe around ignorance
ORBITAL 264 (11:56:49 PM): i still havent decided if i want too
BlueHulk (11:56:54 PM):  it’s what social vibing is
BlueHulk (11:57:02 PM):  it’s why you dont’ talk too loud in a coffee shop
BlueHulk (11:57:08 PM):  you know this stuff more than anyone
ORBITAL 264 (11:57:13 PM): Nope
ORBITAL 264 (11:57:24 PM): thats social cruising
ORBITAL 264 (11:57:30 PM): well i guess you could call it vibing
ORBITAL 264 (11:57:31 PM): hmm
BlueHulk (11:57:39 PM):  you don’t say thinks you know will offend people if it isn’t necesary
ORBITAL 264 (11:57:43 PM): sure yes its vibing actually
BlueHulk (11:57:48 PM):  if you can easily get around it with another metaphor
BlueHulk (11:57:54 PM):  then it’s unnecessary
BlueHulk (11:58:04 PM):  and no need to do it unles syou just want to throw it in their face that your’e not tiptoeing
BlueHulk (11:58:15 PM):  and an extreme analogy usually shows you can’t think of one more relevant
BlueHulk (11:58:24 PM):  and comes off as a straw man
ORBITAL 264 (11:58:28 PM): extreme analogies prove the point harder, or so I thought
BlueHulk (11:58:36 PM):  they’re not as persuasive
ORBITAL 264 (11:58:38 PM): It recognizes the logic behind their statement
ORBITAL 264 (11:58:45 PM): Why?
BlueHulk (11:58:49 PM):  well this is why
BlueHulk (11:58:51 PM):  one thing is
ORBITAL 264 (11:58:55 PM): Because the extremity of the issue they cant look to the logic?
BlueHulk (11:58:57 PM):  is you make the person more defnsive
BlueHulk (11:58:58 PM):  yeah
BlueHulk (11:59:01 PM):  that’s part of it
BlueHulk (11:59:05 PM):  you put them on the defensive
BlueHulk (11:59:13 PM):  for example
BlueHulk (11:59:22 PM):  suppose I say I dont’ want to wear a tie at the wedding
BlueHulk (11:59:26 PM):  and you say everyone will be wearing a tie
BlueHulk (11:59:34 PM):  and I say “Everyone said blacks shouldn’t vote”
BlueHulk (11:59:42 PM):  then it just sounds like I”m reaching
BlueHulk (12:00:08 AM):  and it kinda implies that with your logic you’d be ok with blacks not voting
BlueHulk (12:00:12 AM):  since you go along with the crowd
BlueHulk (12:00:15 AM):  there are implications with that
BlueHulk (12:00:49 AM):  a better thing
BlueHulk (12:00:59 AM):  would be that if you said everyone will wear a tie there
BlueHulk (12:01:11 AM):  and I said “everyone drinks at bars but doesn’t notice you empty handed every night, I don’t think people will notice”
BlueHulk (12:01:24 AM):  though that’s a different argument, addmittedly
BlueHulk (12:01:27 AM):  so
BlueHulk (12:01:33 AM):  if you picked some dumb thing masses agreed with
BlueHulk (12:01:34 AM):  at state
BlueHulk (12:01:38 AM):  it would make some sense
BlueHulk (12:01:46 AM):  and it wouldn’t set them on the defensive
BlueHulk (12:02:21 AM):  plus mentioning an extreme example makes it sound like you’re more emotionally attached to the argument than you are, like if you mention matters of life and death it sounds like you think the matter is life and death
BlueHulk (12:04:17 AM):  also one more thing, the argument was a bit off because he said “Most people would say they go to bars to drink” and you said “Most people in 1920’s said Hitler was the man”, the first situation is why people think they do something, and the second is what people think is a good dictator
ORBITAL 264 (12:04:43 AM): ya thats because he changed his language

BlueHulk (12:04:53 AM):  hmm
ORBITAL 264 (12:04:58 AM): completely right there
ORBITAL 264 (12:05:10 AM): but it was an understood part of the conversation
ORBITAL 264 (12:05:38 AM): the original argument was that because people think that the only purpose of a bar is to drink, that that is the purpose of a bar
ORBITAL 264 (12:05:59 AM): he changes his words often to try and win an argument by changing his argument
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:11 AM): so its something i always ignore…
BlueHulk (12:06:13 AM):  ahhh
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:17 AM): but ya your totally right
BlueHulk (12:06:27 AM):  and btw
BlueHulk (12:06:30 AM):  I think if you asked most people
BlueHulk (12:06:36 AM):  do you come primarily to drink or socialize
BlueHulk (12:06:40 AM):  they’d pick the second one
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:45 AM): really?
BlueHulk (12:06:47 AM):  yeah for sure
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:50 AM): i think theyd say drink
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:52 AM): interesting
BlueHulk (12:07:00 AM):  that’s why guys avoid sausage parties
BlueHulk (12:07:02 AM):  or look for girls
BlueHulk (12:07:06 AM):  or leave if it’s dead
BlueHulk (12:07:10 AM):  overtly
ORBITAL 264 (12:08:26 AM): interesting
ORBITAL 264 (12:08:28 AM): rad
BlueHulk (12:09:44 AM):  I didn’t finish through magic bullets
BlueHulk (12:09:49 AM):  I have way too much theory in front of me
ORBITAL 264 (12:09:51 AM): and what you said above makes sense
BlueHulk (12:09:52 AM):  not enough game time
ORBITAL 264 (12:09:54 AM): im gonna send this to my logic teacher
BlueHulk (12:09:56 AM):  ahh cool
ORBITAL 264 (12:10:10 AM): mind if i copy your convo as well?
BlueHulk (12:10:17 AM):  no problem
BlueHulk (12:10:30 AM):  I would have liked to take more philo courses
BlueHulk (12:10:38 AM):  U. Rochester had a good department in that
BlueHulk (12:10:49 AM):  they had like one of the top 2 religion departments too
BlueHulk (12:10:55 AM):  but I wasn’t interested in religion so much back then
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:03 AM): one think i should definately recognize you on is your point about it seeming that i cant make a better argument by using an extreme
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:09 AM): i actually never thought of that
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:17 AM): but because ignorant people often use extremes in the wrong way
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:26 AM): that totally would be an assumption
BlueHulk (12:11:31 AM):  yeah
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:39 AM): i never ever thought of that
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:45 AM): because I can definately make a good argument
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:49 AM): but ive always opted for extremes
BlueHulk (12:11:52 AM):  for sure
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:54 AM): for the concise and impact of the logic
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:57 AM): but that might not be right
ORBITAL 264 (12:12:19 AM): shitballs
BlueHulk (12:12:34 AM):  well now you know
ORBITAL 264 (12:12:38 AM): im so becoming my dad, i need to learn how to stop this
BlueHulk (12:12:43 AM):  how so?
ORBITAL 264 (12:12:47 AM): today i went out with my mom
ORBITAL 264 (12:12:58 AM): and im worried about her naturally, i want her to be healthy, find romance etc.
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:27 AM): So i found myself saying stuff like your teeth seem yellower (in my logic giving her reason to take better care of herself)
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:34 AM): but the really EFFECTIVE way
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:35 AM): would have been
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:39 AM): to compliment her on her smile
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:47 AM): trying to empower her to do something to keep it good, even if it wasnt
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:48 AM): i dont know
BlueHulk (12:13:54 AM):  dude
BlueHulk (12:14:00 AM):  yeah
BlueHulk (12:14:08 AM):  you never want to tell someone their teeth look yellower
ORBITAL 264 (12:14:11 AM): thats shit my dad has never gotten, and does all the time
ORBITAL 264 (12:14:26 AM): and it worked in influencing me, but i cant assume it works anywhere else
BlueHulk (12:14:30 AM):  yeah
BlueHulk (12:14:35 AM):  I mean first of all
BlueHulk (12:14:39 AM):  how yellow your teeth are
ORBITAL 264 (12:14:48 AM): basically ive learned hardline negotiation influence techniques for law and order ( my dad was a top special investigator and negotiator)
BlueHulk (12:14:50 AM):  has little to do with you taking care of yourself
BlueHulk (12:15:07 AM):  yeah, you want to be softer
ORBITAL 264 (12:15:08 AM): taking care of your teeth, gums?
BlueHulk (12:15:15 AM):  steel fist in a velvet glove
BlueHulk (12:15:16 AM):  well
ORBITAL 264 (12:15:17 AM): Its very obvious that i was too harsh, and stupid
BlueHulk (12:15:24 AM):  your teeth can get yellow for a variety of reasons
BlueHulk (12:15:29 AM):  like I’ve never had a cavity
BlueHulk (12:15:31 AM):  brushed every day
BlueHulk (12:15:36 AM):  yet I’ve had to whiten my teeth
BlueHulk (12:15:43 AM):  just casue of how it naturally gets less bright
ORBITAL 264 (12:15:51 AM): You brush well every day? (im not doubting you but taking out a argument in my head)
BlueHulk (12:15:57 AM):  yeah
BlueHulk (12:15:59 AM):  dude
ORBITAL 264 (12:16:01 AM): Hmm
BlueHulk (12:16:03 AM):  I first use mouthwash
BlueHulk (12:16:07 AM):  then floss
BlueHulk (12:16:18 AM):  then use a gum scraperthing for the edge
BlueHulk (12:16:23 AM):  then brush with an electric toothbrush
BlueHulk (12:16:28 AM):  sometimes I skip a step
BlueHulk (12:16:30 AM):  after a long day
BlueHulk (12:16:37 AM):  but always multiprocess
BlueHulk (12:16:39 AM):  and ALWAYS floss
ORBITAL 264 (12:16:42 AM): i just started finally getting my habits in order, so im not coming from a place of righteousness btw, but after i started my habits my teeth dramatically reduced its yellow… so thats where i was coming from
BlueHulk (12:16:49 AM):  ahh
BlueHulk (12:16:52 AM):  well you might have had staining
BlueHulk (12:16:53 AM):  did you smoke?
ORBITAL 264 (12:16:54 AM): interesting
ORBITAL 264 (12:16:59 AM): no
BlueHulk (12:17:02 AM):  hmm I don’t know
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:07 AM): so what causes the yellow any idea
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:23 AM): yup so my logic was completely wrong, and a stupid way to try to influence
BlueHulk (12:17:27 AM):  yeah
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:30 AM): I was in teh car thinking
BlueHulk (12:17:30 AM):  plsu for someone that’s aging
BlueHulk (12:17:34 AM):  it can be really hurtful
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:36 AM): ya no shit
BlueHulk (12:17:39 AM):  I say stupid shit sometimes too
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:39 AM): i felt like crap
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:43 AM): i actually went and got her flowers online
BlueHulk (12:17:45 AM):  it’s actually coming out more often
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:46 AM): and sent them anonymously
BlueHulk (12:17:50 AM):  my problem is right now
BlueHulk (12:17:53 AM):  I’md saying asshole shit in bars
BlueHulk (12:17:56 AM):  and getting away with it
BlueHulk (12:18:00 AM):  cause I”m unreactive and confident
BlueHulk (12:18:03 AM):  so I can say something mean to a girl
BlueHulk (12:18:06 AM):  and she’ll qualify herself to me
BlueHulk (12:18:17 AM):  but not say go away
BlueHulk (12:18:32 AM):  it’s like a little evil me inside trying to come out
BlueHulk (12:18:38 AM):  it just comes out of my mouth sometimes
ORBITAL 264 (12:18:47 AM): can you do me a favor and try and point out when i do something like this in the future? if you think about it let me know
ORBITAL 264 (12:18:49 AM): i really have to stop this
ORBITAL 264 (12:19:00 AM): i need to learn to positively reinforce what i watn to build in people
BlueHulk (12:19:19 AM):  you’ve only sometimes said something to me that I didn’t think was good to say
BlueHulk (12:19:21 AM):  but it’s rare
BlueHulk (12:19:43 AM):  I haven’t seen you as much around other people so I dont’ know
ORBITAL 264 (12:19:45 AM): ya, but i think i do it more the longer im friends with people
ORBITAL 264 (12:20:05 AM): im scared that when i become more comfortable with strangers it will come out
BlueHulk (12:20:18 AM):  I guess you just gotta take note of what you said and release
BlueHulk (12:20:23 AM):  just not worry about it
BlueHulk (12:20:27 AM):  but when it happens, take notice
ORBITAL 264 (12:20:32 AM): definately
ORBITAL 264 (12:21:00 AM): really if you point out something socially seen as bad, even with good intentions, its negative right
BlueHulk (12:21:17 AM):  oh dude
BlueHulk (12:21:20 AM):  that’s one thing my dad told me
BlueHulk (12:21:27 AM):  that’s rung true
BlueHulk (12:21:45 AM):  if you see someone at a party who missed a spot shaving
BlueHulk (12:21:48 AM):  let someone else tell him
BlueHulk (12:22:04 AM):  or if you see someone with toilet paper on the bottom of his shoe
BlueHulk (12:22:08 AM):  better to let someone else comment
BlueHulk (12:22:12 AM):  cause even though you did something nice
BlueHulk (12:22:18 AM):  he might associate the bad feelings of embarassement with you
BlueHulk (12:22:29 AM):  of course with friends it’s completely different
BlueHulk (12:22:40 AM):  especially like in the community if you count on each other for that stuff
ORBITAL 264 (12:23:16 AM): fuck i feel like im hiding myself doing that
BlueHulk (12:23:29 AM):  it’s hard, but it’s part of life
ORBITAL 264 (12:23:35 AM): i think this is the root concept of my major weakness
ORBITAL 264 (12:24:11 AM): hmmmm
ORBITAL 264 (12:24:12 AM): jesus
ORBITAL 264 (12:24:16 AM): my head is spinning
ORBITAL 264 (12:25:07 AM): because basically i was really passive always worrying how things came off to people, then i went the opposite and just said what i honestly felt, saw , or thought, because i knew i was coming from good intentions
ORBITAL 264 (12:25:10 AM): but its a balance
ORBITAL 264 (12:25:15 AM): and i dont know how to find it  just yet
ORBITAL 264 (12:25:20 AM): ive always been a either or kinda guy
BlueHulk (12:25:38 AM):  yeah
BlueHulk (12:25:40 AM):  it’s finding it
BlueHulk (12:25:41 AM):  I’m the same way
BlueHulk (12:25:47 AM):  with other things
BlueHulk (12:25:52 AM):  like I”m always either eating massive junk food
BlueHulk (12:25:59 AM):  or working out and eating like a pro athlete
BlueHulk (12:26:05 AM):  and I’m finding a middle between those
ORBITAL 264 (12:26:06 AM): is the balance basically, that you say whats honest only if it affects you? otherwise you think about how it might affect their feelings?
BlueHulk (12:26:49 AM):  the balance is saying something when it needs to be said, or if it will help you, while always keeping integrity to your word.
ORBITAL 264 (12:26:50 AM): or if you have a relationship established like we do
BlueHulk (12:26:59 AM):  I think you should never lie
BlueHulk (12:27:09 AM):  like if a guy says how do you like the suit
ORBITAL 264 (12:27:10 AM): ya but that needs to be said is the line im trying to establish
BlueHulk (12:27:19 AM):  I don’t think you should be brutal
BlueHulk (12:27:26 AM):  but you can always say something like “Looks better on you than me!”
BlueHulk (12:27:29 AM):  soemthing that doesn’t answer
ORBITAL 264 (12:29:19 AM): i guess the problem is i just dont get those subtle hints
ORBITAL 264 (12:29:29 AM): im so not as socially clued in as i thought
ORBITAL 264 (12:30:07 AM): Duh
ORBITAL 264 (12:30:09 AM): if they dont directly answer
ORBITAL 264 (12:30:15 AM): they probably think the answer will negatively affect me
ORBITAL 264 (12:30:19 AM): therefore it was that option
BlueHulk (12:31:07 AM):  hmm you mean if you ask people that?
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:09 AM): but then if i know that, its still as hurtful as if saying it?
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:19 AM): ya
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:23 AM): taking your suit example
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:27 AM): you dont actually answer
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:34 AM): which would only imply NO it doesnt look good
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:39 AM): but if i know that
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:44 AM): isnt that the same as actually saying NO?
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:56 AM): I guess not, because you dont have the concrete negative emotions behind saying NO
BlueHulk (12:32:04 AM):  well
BlueHulk (12:32:10 AM):  well he might not pick up on it
BlueHulk (12:32:14 AM):  usually don’t
BlueHulk (12:32:18 AM):  actually what it shows
BlueHulk (12:32:22 AM):  is you dont’ have much of an opinion on it
ORBITAL 264 (12:33:26 AM): hmm
ORBITAL 264 (12:33:55 AM): btw
ORBITAL 264 (12:34:03 AM): what do you think about me buying flowers for my mom and sending them anonymously
ORBITAL 264 (12:34:16 AM): i was basically trying to make myself feel better
ORBITAL 264 (12:34:26 AM): so i might be clouded in if thats actually a positive thing to do
ORBITAL 264 (12:35:05 AM): I felt like sending it anonymously like it was from another person would basically be encouraging her to feel shes beautiful etc.
ORBITAL 264 (12:35:20 AM): kindof making up for the stupidity of my remark
BlueHulk (12:36:52 AM):  yeah she’ll still be mad at you though
BlueHulk (12:37:01 AM):  did the flowers have a note?
ORBITAL 264 (12:37:39 AM): ya
ORBITAL 264 (12:37:40 AM): I wrote
ORBITAL 264 (12:37:52 AM): “Because a beautiful woman deserves beautiful things.”

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BlueHulk (1:25:11 AM):  dude some of your word conjgations are funn ysometimes
ORBITAL 264 (1:25:25 AM): like what
BlueHulk (1:25:27 AM):  like too specialized or “analyzation”
BlueHulk (1:25:30 AM):  in your IM with your buddy
ORBITAL 264 (1:25:30 AM): i have bad english skills
BlueHulk (1:25:35 AM):  you had that word “analyzation”
BlueHulk (1:25:43 AM):  which was a new one :-0
BlueHulk (1:25:44 AM): 
ORBITAL 264 (1:26:00 AM): i still dont know how to spell it
BlueHulk (1:26:05 AM):  it’s not a word!
BlueHulk (1:26:07 AM):  it’s analysis
ORBITAL 264 (1:26:12 AM): ahhh
ORBITAL 264 (1:26:17 AM): i posted that actually
BlueHulk (1:26:21 AM):  posted what
ORBITAL 264 (1:26:33 AM): the word
ORBITAL 264 (1:26:35 AM): in a post recently
ORBITAL 264 (1:26:36 AM): woops
BlueHulk (1:26:40 AM):  ahh
ORBITAL 264 (1:26:41 AM): i sound stupid rad
ORBITAL 264 (1:27:33 AM): what sparked that comment?
ORBITAL 264 (1:28:11 AM): i cheated my way through english, big regret of mine :(
ORBITAL 264 (1:28:25 AM): like almost the entire way through
ORBITAL 264 (1:28:42 AM): started cheating on english papers when i was in middleschool
BlueHulk (1:29:08 AM):  how
ORBITAL 264 (1:29:18 AM): actually i was cheating in 1st grade, but i got caught
ORBITAL 264 (1:29:28 AM): i had kids write stuff for me for a while
ORBITAL 264 (1:29:36 AM): or i downloaded, copied and pasted, etc.
ORBITAL 264 (1:29:38 AM): got old papers
ORBITAL 264 (1:29:48 AM): I think what happened
ORBITAL 264 (1:29:51 AM): is at a early age
ORBITAL 264 (1:29:59 AM): i always fucked up spelling alot
ORBITAL 264 (1:30:05 AM): and i worked on it like crazy
ORBITAL 264 (1:30:09 AM): and worked really hard on a paper
ORBITAL 264 (1:30:12 AM): and i got a bad grade
ORBITAL 264 (1:30:20 AM): and just decided i was bad at writing
ORBITAL 264 (1:30:25 AM): and couldnt do it
BlueHulk (1:30:27 AM):  ahhh
ORBITAL 264 (1:30:37 AM): by the end of college i was writing everything myself
ORBITAL 264 (1:30:42 AM): but my writing skills are horrible
BlueHulk (1:30:49 AM):  I had some nasty english teachers
ORBITAL 264 (1:30:53 AM): i actually have a couple grammar books on my que list of books
BlueHulk (1:30:57 AM):  I had to fight to get a b- in some classes
BlueHulk (1:31:03 AM):  got some c+’s in high school
BlueHulk (1:31:12 AM):  in college professors would tear my papers apart
BlueHulk (1:31:16 AM):  so my grades weren’t that great
BlueHulk (1:31:19 AM):  but when I got out of college
BlueHulk (1:31:24 AM):  everyone loved my writing
BlueHulk (1:31:43 AM):  it was actually a surprise
BlueHulk (1:31:48 AM):  cause with the exception of a few great teachers
BlueHulk (1:31:54 AM):  I got the impression I wans’t that good a writer
BlueHulk (1:31:57 AM):  when I was in college
BlueHulk (1:32:03 AM):  cause others were getting better grades than me
BlueHulk (1:32:05 AM):  but once I got out
BlueHulk (1:32:13 AM):  like peopel in the MBA calle dme the “wordsmith”
BlueHulk (1:32:17 AM):  or “word magician”
BlueHulk (1:32:30 AM):  and like if they needed an ad written
BlueHulk (1:32:33 AM):  or some concept statement
BlueHulk (1:32:35 AM):  they’d give it to me
BlueHulk (1:32:40 AM):  and like I’d stare at it for like a minute
BlueHulk (1:32:46 AM):  and then show them and they’d be like “Whoah”
ORBITAL 264 (1:33:05 AM): sweet man
ORBITAL 264 (1:33:10 AM): another thing i can envy