ya thats because he changed his language
BlueHulk (12:04:53 AM):Â hmm
ORBITAL 264 (12:04:58 AM):Â completely right there
ORBITAL 264 (12:05:10 AM):Â but it was an understood part of the conversation
ORBITAL 264 (12:05:38 AM):Â the original argument was that because people think that the only purpose of a bar is to drink, that that is the purpose of a bar
ORBITAL 264 (12:05:59 AM):Â he changes his words often to try and win an argument by changing his argument
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:11 AM):Â so its something i always ignore…
BlueHulk (12:06:13 AM):Â ahhh
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:17 AM):Â but ya your totally right
BlueHulk (12:06:27 AM):Â and btw
BlueHulk (12:06:30 AM):Â I think if you asked most people
BlueHulk (12:06:36 AM):Â do you come primarily to drink or socialize
BlueHulk (12:06:40 AM):Â they’d pick the second one
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:45 AM):Â really?
BlueHulk (12:06:47 AM):Â yeah for sure
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:50 AM):Â i think theyd say drink
ORBITAL 264 (12:06:52 AM):Â interesting
BlueHulk (12:07:00 AM):Â that’s why guys avoid sausage parties
BlueHulk (12:07:02 AM):Â or look for girls
BlueHulk (12:07:06 AM):Â or leave if it’s dead
BlueHulk (12:07:10 AM):Â overtly
ORBITAL 264 (12:08:26 AM):Â interesting
ORBITAL 264 (12:08:28 AM):Â rad
BlueHulk (12:09:44 AM):Â I didn’t finish through magic bullets
BlueHulk (12:09:49 AM):Â I have way too much theory in front of me
ORBITAL 264 (12:09:51 AM):Â and what you said above makes sense
BlueHulk (12:09:52 AM):Â not enough game time
ORBITAL 264 (12:09:54 AM):Â im gonna send this to my logic teacher
BlueHulk (12:09:56 AM):Â ahh cool
ORBITAL 264 (12:10:10 AM):Â mind if i copy your convo as well?
BlueHulk (12:10:17 AM):Â no problem
BlueHulk (12:10:30 AM):Â I would have liked to take more philo courses
BlueHulk (12:10:38 AM):Â U. Rochester had a good department in that
BlueHulk (12:10:49 AM):Â they had like one of the top 2 religion departments too
BlueHulk (12:10:55 AM):Â but I wasn’t interested in religion so much back then
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:03 AM):Â one think i should definately recognize you on is your point about it seeming that i cant make a better argument by using an extreme
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:09 AM):Â i actually never thought of that
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:17 AM):Â but because ignorant people often use extremes in the wrong way
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:26 AM):Â that totally would be an assumption
BlueHulk (12:11:31 AM):Â yeah
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:39 AM):Â i never ever thought of that
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:45 AM):Â because I can definately make a good argument
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:49 AM):Â but ive always opted for extremes
BlueHulk (12:11:52 AM):Â for sure
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:54 AM):Â for the concise and impact of the logic
ORBITAL 264 (12:11:57 AM):Â but that might not be right
ORBITAL 264 (12:12:19 AM):Â shitballs
BlueHulk (12:12:34 AM):Â well now you know 
ORBITAL 264 (12:12:38 AM):Â im so becoming my dad, i need to learn how to stop this
BlueHulk (12:12:43 AM):Â how so?
ORBITAL 264 (12:12:47 AM):Â today i went out with my mom
ORBITAL 264 (12:12:58 AM):Â and im worried about her naturally, i want her to be healthy, find romance etc.
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:27 AM):Â So i found myself saying stuff like your teeth seem yellower (in my logic giving her reason to take better care of herself)
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:34 AM):Â but the really EFFECTIVE way
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:35 AM):Â would have been
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:39 AM):Â to compliment her on her smile
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:47 AM):Â trying to empower her to do something to keep it good, even if it wasnt
ORBITAL 264 (12:13:48 AM):Â i dont know
BlueHulk (12:13:54 AM):Â dude
BlueHulk (12:14:00 AM):Â yeah
BlueHulk (12:14:08 AM):Â you never want to tell someone their teeth look yellower
ORBITAL 264 (12:14:11 AM):Â thats shit my dad has never gotten, and does all the time
ORBITAL 264 (12:14:26 AM):Â and it worked in influencing me, but i cant assume it works anywhere else
BlueHulk (12:14:30 AM):Â yeah
BlueHulk (12:14:35 AM):Â I mean first of all
BlueHulk (12:14:39 AM):Â how yellow your teeth are
ORBITAL 264 (12:14:48 AM):Â basically ive learned hardline negotiation influence techniques for law and order ( my dad was a top special investigator and negotiator)
BlueHulk (12:14:50 AM):Â has little to do with you taking care of yourself
BlueHulk (12:15:07 AM):Â yeah, you want to be softer
ORBITAL 264 (12:15:08 AM):Â taking care of your teeth, gums?
BlueHulk (12:15:15 AM):Â steel fist in a velvet glove
BlueHulk (12:15:16 AM):Â well
ORBITAL 264 (12:15:17 AM):Â Its very obvious that i was too harsh, and stupid
BlueHulk (12:15:24 AM):Â your teeth can get yellow for a variety of reasons
BlueHulk (12:15:29 AM):Â like I’ve never had a cavity
BlueHulk (12:15:31 AM):Â brushed every day
BlueHulk (12:15:36 AM):Â yet I’ve had to whiten my teeth
BlueHulk (12:15:43 AM):Â just casue of how it naturally gets less bright
ORBITAL 264 (12:15:51 AM):Â You brush well every day? (im not doubting you but taking out a argument in my head)
BlueHulk (12:15:57 AM):Â yeah
BlueHulk (12:15:59 AM):Â dude
ORBITAL 264 (12:16:01 AM):Â Hmm
BlueHulk (12:16:03 AM):Â I first use mouthwash
BlueHulk (12:16:07 AM):Â then floss
BlueHulk (12:16:18 AM):Â then use a gum scraperthing for the edge
BlueHulk (12:16:23 AM):Â then brush with an electric toothbrush
BlueHulk (12:16:28 AM):Â sometimes I skip a step
BlueHulk (12:16:30 AM):Â after a long day
BlueHulk (12:16:37 AM):Â but always multiprocess
BlueHulk (12:16:39 AM):Â and ALWAYS floss
ORBITAL 264 (12:16:42 AM):Â i just started finally getting my habits in order, so im not coming from a place of righteousness btw, but after i started my habits my teeth dramatically reduced its yellow… so thats where i was coming from
BlueHulk (12:16:49 AM):Â ahh
BlueHulk (12:16:52 AM):Â well you might have had staining
BlueHulk (12:16:53 AM):Â did you smoke?
ORBITAL 264 (12:16:54 AM):Â interesting
ORBITAL 264 (12:16:59 AM):Â no
BlueHulk (12:17:02 AM):Â hmm I don’t know
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:07 AM):Â so what causes the yellow any idea
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:23 AM):Â yup so my logic was completely wrong, and a stupid way to try to influence
BlueHulk (12:17:27 AM):Â yeah
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:30 AM):Â I was in teh car thinking
BlueHulk (12:17:30 AM):Â plsu for someone that’s aging
BlueHulk (12:17:34 AM):Â it can be really hurtful
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:36 AM):Â ya no shit
BlueHulk (12:17:39 AM):Â I say stupid shit sometimes too
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:39 AM):Â i felt like crap
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:43 AM):Â i actually went and got her flowers online
BlueHulk (12:17:45 AM):Â it’s actually coming out more often
ORBITAL 264 (12:17:46 AM):Â and sent them anonymously
BlueHulk (12:17:50 AM):Â my problem is right now
BlueHulk (12:17:53 AM):Â I’md saying asshole shit in bars
BlueHulk (12:17:56 AM):Â and getting away with it
BlueHulk (12:18:00 AM):Â cause I”m unreactive and confident
BlueHulk (12:18:03 AM):Â so I can say something mean to a girl
BlueHulk (12:18:06 AM):Â and she’ll qualify herself to me
BlueHulk (12:18:17 AM):Â but not say go away
BlueHulk (12:18:32 AM):Â it’s like a little evil me inside trying to come out
BlueHulk (12:18:38 AM):Â it just comes out of my mouth sometimes
ORBITAL 264 (12:18:47 AM):Â can you do me a favor and try and point out when i do something like this in the future? if you think about it let me know
ORBITAL 264 (12:18:49 AM):Â i really have to stop this
ORBITAL 264 (12:19:00 AM):Â i need to learn to positively reinforce what i watn to build in people
BlueHulk (12:19:19 AM):Â you’ve only sometimes said something to me that I didn’t think was good to say
BlueHulk (12:19:21 AM):Â but it’s rare
BlueHulk (12:19:43 AM):Â I haven’t seen you as much around other people so I dont’ know
ORBITAL 264 (12:19:45 AM):Â ya, but i think i do it more the longer im friends with people
ORBITAL 264 (12:20:05 AM):Â im scared that when i become more comfortable with strangers it will come out
BlueHulk (12:20:18 AM):Â I guess you just gotta take note of what you said and release
BlueHulk (12:20:23 AM):Â just not worry about it
BlueHulk (12:20:27 AM):Â but when it happens, take notice
ORBITAL 264 (12:20:32 AM):Â definately
ORBITAL 264 (12:21:00 AM):Â really if you point out something socially seen as bad, even with good intentions, its negative right
BlueHulk (12:21:17 AM):Â oh dude
BlueHulk (12:21:20 AM):Â that’s one thing my dad told me
BlueHulk (12:21:27 AM):Â that’s rung true
BlueHulk (12:21:45 AM):Â if you see someone at a party who missed a spot shaving
BlueHulk (12:21:48 AM):Â let someone else tell him
BlueHulk (12:22:04 AM):Â or if you see someone with toilet paper on the bottom of his shoe
BlueHulk (12:22:08 AM):Â better to let someone else comment
BlueHulk (12:22:12 AM):Â cause even though you did something nice
BlueHulk (12:22:18 AM):Â he might associate the bad feelings of embarassement with you
BlueHulk (12:22:29 AM):Â of course with friends it’s completely different
BlueHulk (12:22:40 AM):Â especially like in the community if you count on each other for that stuff
ORBITAL 264 (12:23:16 AM):Â fuck i feel like im hiding myself doing that
BlueHulk (12:23:29 AM):Â it’s hard, but it’s part of life
ORBITAL 264 (12:23:35 AM):Â i think this is the root concept of my major weakness
ORBITAL 264 (12:24:11 AM):Â hmmmm
ORBITAL 264 (12:24:12 AM):Â jesus
ORBITAL 264 (12:24:16 AM):Â my head is spinning
ORBITAL 264 (12:25:07 AM):Â because basically i was really passive always worrying how things came off to people, then i went the opposite and just said what i honestly felt, saw , or thought, because i knew i was coming from good intentions
ORBITAL 264 (12:25:10 AM):Â but its a balance
ORBITAL 264 (12:25:15 AM): and i dont know how to find it just yet
ORBITAL 264 (12:25:20 AM):Â ive always been a either or kinda guy
BlueHulk (12:25:38 AM):Â yeah
BlueHulk (12:25:40 AM):Â it’s finding it
BlueHulk (12:25:41 AM):Â I’m the same way
BlueHulk (12:25:47 AM):Â with other things
BlueHulk (12:25:52 AM):Â like I”m always either eating massive junk food
BlueHulk (12:25:59 AM):Â or working out and eating like a pro athlete
BlueHulk (12:26:05 AM):Â and I’m finding a middle between those
ORBITAL 264 (12:26:06 AM):Â is the balance basically, that you say whats honest only if it affects you? otherwise you think about how it might affect their feelings?
BlueHulk (12:26:49 AM):Â the balance is saying something when it needs to be said, or if it will help you, while always keeping integrity to your word.
ORBITAL 264 (12:26:50 AM):Â or if you have a relationship established like we do
BlueHulk (12:26:59 AM):Â I think you should never lie
BlueHulk (12:27:09 AM):Â like if a guy says how do you like the suit
ORBITAL 264 (12:27:10 AM):Â ya but that needs to be said is the line im trying to establish
BlueHulk (12:27:19 AM):Â I don’t think you should be brutal
BlueHulk (12:27:26 AM):Â but you can always say something like “Looks better on you than me!”
BlueHulk (12:27:29 AM):Â soemthing that doesn’t answer
ORBITAL 264 (12:29:19 AM):Â i guess the problem is i just dont get those subtle hints
ORBITAL 264 (12:29:29 AM):Â im so not as socially clued in as i thought
ORBITAL 264 (12:30:07 AM):Â Duh
ORBITAL 264 (12:30:09 AM):Â if they dont directly answer
ORBITAL 264 (12:30:15 AM):Â they probably think the answer will negatively affect me
ORBITAL 264 (12:30:19 AM):Â therefore it was that option
BlueHulk (12:31:07 AM):Â hmm you mean if you ask people that?
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:09 AM):Â but then if i know that, its still as hurtful as if saying it?
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:19 AM):Â ya
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:23 AM):Â taking your suit example
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:27 AM):Â you dont actually answer
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:34 AM):Â which would only imply NO it doesnt look good
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:39 AM):Â but if i know that
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:44 AM):Â isnt that the same as actually saying NO?
ORBITAL 264 (12:31:56 AM):Â I guess not, because you dont have the concrete negative emotions behind saying NO
BlueHulk (12:32:04 AM):Â well
BlueHulk (12:32:10 AM):Â well he might not pick up on it
BlueHulk (12:32:14 AM):Â usually don’t
BlueHulk (12:32:18 AM):Â actually what it shows
BlueHulk (12:32:22 AM):Â is you dont’ have much of an opinion on it
ORBITAL 264 (12:33:26 AM):Â hmm
ORBITAL 264 (12:33:55 AM):Â btw
ORBITAL 264 (12:34:03 AM):Â what do you think about me buying flowers for my mom and sending them anonymously
ORBITAL 264 (12:34:16 AM):Â i was basically trying to make myself feel better
ORBITAL 264 (12:34:26 AM):Â so i might be clouded in if thats actually a positive thing to do
ORBITAL 264 (12:35:05 AM):Â I felt like sending it anonymously like it was from another person would basically be encouraging her to feel shes beautiful etc.
ORBITAL 264 (12:35:20 AM):Â kindof making up for the stupidity of my remark
BlueHulk (12:36:52 AM):Â yeah she’ll still be mad at you though
BlueHulk (12:37:01 AM):Â did the flowers have a note?
ORBITAL 264 (12:37:39 AM):Â ya
ORBITAL 264 (12:37:40 AM):Â I wrote
ORBITAL 264 (12:37:52 AM):Â “Because a beautiful woman deserves beautiful things.”